Awesome. I call dibs on goblinizing into a troll.

People rebelled heavily against the ‘ID card’ system in the UK — but is it better to have a Facebook ID card, or a Governmental ID card?

Shadowrun time?

That’s a good paper, Kim. Indeed, in role-based systems, a single identity may be authorizedBy or authorize membership or property associations (eg, persons tables, role tables, organization tables, skills table, events tables, resources, etc. etc.). Depending on the application of the roles to security roles, they may be extensible or baked.

Your presentation reminds me a little of the early pre-web battle for hypertext language standards. HTML was too simple to do what most of us had in mind for network document database work because it could not represent the associations and objects obviously useful for very large hypermedia systems that enable operations support.

Social media are a subclass of communications client tech. You will see similar abstract notions of these relationships in, for example, national response framework emergency support function frameworks. Substitute dispatch, operations and analysis for the games, and the rest is very similar to the kinds of objects OpenGraph talks about.

So even if FB isn’t yet a fully-realized comm framework, it has the right ideas for scaling out horizontal and simple before complexifying and integrating vertical (hierarchical) relationships.

Its not that Facebook will got he way of MySpace, Yahoo, or AOL before it.IT WILL.

The real HORROR STORY is that we’ll have another “silly name” vc backed monster to takes its place every 5 years. That’s the real evil of technology as religion, with no regulations other than the “market”.

As proven again and again, the market doesnt work unregulated. Like technology it creates 9 out of 10 “Pets.com” and waistes our time and humanity following “gimicks” that only make us more dependent on the technologies offered.

It’s ok, Raph, calm down. Facebook won’t take over “the whole Internet”. It can’t. The net, um, routes around attempts to take it over, um, doesn’t it? And you shouldn’t make wild predictions about the hand that feeds you, that’s biting.

And in face, Facebook *is* an attempt by the Net to route around the takeover of Google and Wikipedia.

Google, the ad agency that has made global search, a needed utility like water or electricity, something that they can harness as a revenue-generating business with billions in revenue. Their appetite has grown to take over other sectors like broadband and telephony and more. Wikipedia is the helpmate to Google, showing up first in every search just about, except for the Edelman, the ad agency, which makes sure that doesn’t happen, and except for Umair, who is like a strange vampire in the mirror, with no Wikipedia about himself despite his prolific writings and tremendous influence.

Twitter and Facebook, proprietary platforms (and that is a GOOD thing, Raph) arose and posed a significant challenge to the relentless, scraping, technocommunist Google. Both these platforms are techocommies too, but sort of Eurocommunists to Google’s Soviet communism and democratic centralism.

Both of them created a new search that was outside the bounds of Google and run not by what they had constructed to show up first — Wikipedia and other most linked stuff — but what real people really thought should be first for their friends. A different principle, less mechanistic, biased but less prone to gaming and buying and bombing.

The world needs both mechanical gamed ad-strewn search and friend-search, and multiple types of competitors with both models to keep totalitarianism from happening.

Totalitarianism is not happening due to Facebook or Twitter; they fight Google’s totalitarianism so we have a plurality of giants now, and thank God for it.

Many people resist the pushed Facebook connect on every website (I’m one of them). They start to have less choices if they do and can’t even log on to some areas now, but they have Disqus, which is a sturdy competitor and works very well. What what happens to Disqus. OpenID, I don’t take seriously, it’s a goofball opensource clusterfrak that is broken and never works and is ideological and will be routed around.

Unfortunately, Facebook being hackery but more of the revised hack culture like Bill Gates, was still technocommie enough to try to “make something out of nothing” and make money only indirectly off the New Class of API engineers and flash games that generate cash (but not to them directly). FB sells ads directly, but that doesn’t make enough revenue to keep servers going for 450 million people.

So if you notice, FB has started, like Russia, to sell off its precious metals and hydrocrabons and caviar to feed its technocommunism. It has started selling search space to Google, so there is a google invsion underneath your FB results now. Twitter has done the same.

FB is still waiting to cook up the right biz model that will compete with Google, make money out of technocommunism, and prove Prokofy wrong.

Right now, the VC capital propping up FB is, interestingly, the Soviet Union’s richest techocommunist oligarch. Go and study how him and his company have increasingly taken over shares of FB and other social media platforms.

Like the Soviet Union, like Myspace, Facebook will collapse/split up/ have big failures and become very different, yet still somewhat the same in 10 years.

Facebook is an American and Russian debt waiting to be purchased by the Chinese.

Yes, hold your applause, I realize my analysis is brilliant : )

Seriously, what will be funny to watch is how all these people bitch about FB “taking over” and how Ebil it is, who are absolutely morally blind to the evil of Google. They will rant and rave about how there is no “open social” here with “open standards” or “opensource” blah blah, even though opensource is #fail. It does not work unless some big IT company comes along and scoops up the free labour and makes it work right (which is why it works on the Internet with Apache, etc. so spare me the lectures about how I am soaking in opensource).

Nobody needs to make an opensource impoverished-from-the-get-go social platform that rewards only a few consultants and one or two big IT oligarchs (the Google model of Free). The economy has been happier with a huge roster of API engineers who make bank, and a short list of flash game millionaires who make bank — it’s more robust, more pluralistic, and more stable. And that New Class, which includes you, Raph, will work to make sure Facebook doesn’t fall to Google, and is not bought by any Big IT thing, but keeps its independence.

Twitter will be unable to be truly global because it can’t scale and will crack up into pieces too that will be sold off. There will be tviter.ru etc.

One point of information: a lot of these sites that now connect with Facebook, Twitter, WordPress, OpenID *don’t work* because either the opensourceniks setting up the sites that use them with Drupal or whatever don’t know what they are doing or something just isn’t “right”.

Example: Henry Jenkin’s blog has sign in with Facebook or Twitter which simoply doesn’t work.

*sigh* And after reading this, I promptly ‘liked’ it, so I can share it with all my friends on FB who need to read it.

I enjoy social networking sites, but I dislike that my personal information has become something that I or OTHERS can freely trade away.

I *love* the bit where you have to individually opt out of every partner site that they work with — that’s how you can tell they have your best interest at heart….

Btw, there’s a setting under (I believe) Application Settings -> Instant Personalization where you can uncheck a box. I’m supposed to RT that, but eh. Not, you know, that this was publicized whatsoever.

“I wouldn’t try this crap under a Democratic administration.”

@EarnestAdams: you made a statement to this effect in your article dissecting “evil” design practices when contrasting China vs. the US. I think you grossly overestimate the degree to which the USA is still a Democracy, and by that I mean you assign it a degree of democracy greater than 0.

If it was a government that was doing this I’d be the first to cry “NOOOOOO!” and retreat to my cave disconnected from the world.

Am I crazy to have faith in the fact that Facebook will have to keep its end users (us) and its customers (all the big corporations) happy and using their service, which means that they’ll have to ensure the security of our data and let us control how they use it.

Their income will depend on them following our rules as we will literally hold the purse strings. As long as they play nice and give us what we want I don’t see a problem.

I do think you take it to an extreme though Raph, I hope your tounge was firmly in your cheek

Probably, Morgan. On the other hand, expression of intent is the surest predictor of future behavior. Time to empty the profiles, create imaginary characters and fill the FB dbs with Space Ghost Coast to Coast.

Let markets deal with them.

But it’s not in your RSS feed. ‘net coup fail!

I checked further and https to the login page for Facebook works but there is no redirect from a http connection to ensure encrypted authentication. That’s a pretty glaring usability error in my opinion.

@csven, Facebook was having some really annoying uptime issues around that time. I was trying to turn off a “share your stuff with select partners” thing and it was hard to maintain a page load.

I’m not worried about this re: privacy issues; I’m mostly worried about this because I don’t trust Facebook. If it had been someone else, I’d be suspicious, but optimistic. But FB has never shown itself to care about human beings tmk.

Okay. So. I’m trying to open Facebook and I’m getting a blank page. What’s next, a “fail whale”?

You know, a huge part of my job revolves around social media.

And this scares the crap out of me.

I don’t mind sharing some information. There’s certain stuff that I don’t mind the world knowing at all, and I couldn’t care less if they did. However, the idea that people can easily see what movies I’m watching, what music I’m listening to what websites I’m visiting, and basically having every aspect of my life shot out as a spotlight for the world, is about the opposite of what I want.

I sure hope I’m not alone in that.

+1 for terrified. I’d probably rather unplug myself than live in that future.

Sigh, the future was better when it was about being a cyborg.

I wonder what the point is for me to limit who can view my facebook wall, if it is not protected on the web. Do my fb privacy settings also travel with this like button, etc?

Don’t mind Derek… we try not to let him on the internet unsupervised…

@coppertopper I’m with you on that one. The privacy implications of something like this are huge. That said, I’m scared cause I can’t find a whole lot to disagree with in the article. It’s all very plausible and our DoJ is too busy looking at Intel and Microsoft to notice. How long until Facebook buys Microsoft?

guess I’m the one that got it wrong. Browser-fail cut off your last paragraph. My bad. Except for the whole movie thing…

You can borrow my tin-foil hat, Raph.

I’m officially scared on a biblical scale.