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TOSes in trouble? TOSes的麻烦吗?

May 31st, 2007 2007年5月31号

I am not a lawyer.我不是一个律师。

But this court ruling regarding the Bragg/Linden case (pdf) seems to me to have some serious implications for how virtual worlds do business. 但这个法院的裁决对布拉格/林登情况( PDF格式)在我看来有一些严重影响虚拟世界如何做生意。

Let’s walk through the bare bones in plain language, as I understand it:让我们步行穿过光秃秃的骨头普通语言,我的理解是:

  • Linden and Philip Rosedale make a point of saying that you can make money in Second Life.林登和Philip Rosedale的作点说,你可以赚钱的第二生命。
  • A guy named Bragg hears this.一个人命名为布拉格听到这一点。 He downloads the client, agrees to the terms of service, and plays Second Life.他下载的客户端,同意的服务条款,并发挥第二生命。
  • He exploits some software flaw to get a parcel of land on the cheap.他利用一些软件漏洞获得一块土地的便宜。
  • Linden catches him at it and confiscates the land (and by implication, his real actual investment).林登他在渔获量,并没收土地(和暗示,他真正的实际投资) 。
  • He sues Rosedale.他起诉Rosedale的。
  • Linden moves that Rosedale be dismissed from the suit.林登举措,为Rosedale被解雇的诉讼。 They also move that the case go to arbitration, per the Terms of Service.他们还动议的情况下去仲裁,每服务条款。
  • The court concludes that Rosedale did lots of publicly saying “you can make real money in Second Life” and therefore should stay on the suit.法院的结论是,为Rosedale没有大量的公开说: “你能真正的金钱在第二人生” ,因此应当继续诉讼。 This much isn’t that different really from how such cases would go.这一点是不是真的来自不同的多么这种情况下,去。

Then comes the arbitration clause.其次,仲裁条款。

The court says “the company is a Delaware company, but run in California, and the plaintiff is in Pennsylvania, so this is interstate commerce, so we’re gonna judge this arbitration clause based on federal law.”法院说: “该公司是一家特拉华公司,但在加利福尼亚州运行,以及原告是在宾夕法尼亚州,因此这是州际商业,所以我们一定法官这一仲裁条款的基础上的联邦法律。 ”

Under federal law, arbitration must be agreed to by both parties in writing, and in case there’s disagreement afterwards, the court is supposed to lean towards the person who doesn’t want arbitration.根据联邦法律,仲裁,必须同意由双方以书面形式,并在案件有异议后,法院理应倾向于的人谁不希望仲裁。

Bragg doesn’t want arbitration, he wants a court case.布拉格不想仲裁,他希望法院案件。 He opposes it on the grounds that the arbitration clause is “unconscionable.”他反对的理由是,该仲裁条款是“不道德” 。

“Unconscionable” by law has to be defined by California. “不合情理”的法律界定的加利福尼亚州。 They define it as “oppression” because of “unequal bargaining positions”; and the use of “surprise through hidden terms.” Most specifically, this conjures up the question of “contracts of adhesion.”他们定义为“压迫” ,因为“不平等的谈判地位” ;和使用“惊喜通过隐藏条件。 ”大多数具体地说,这个虚构的问题, “合同的粘附。 ”

A contract of adhesion, in turn, is a “standardized contract, which, imposed and drafted by the party of superior bargaining strength, relegates to the subscribing party only the opportunity to adhere to the contract or reject it.”合同的粘附,进而是一种“标准化合同,实行并起草了党的上级讨价还价的力量, relegates订阅到党的唯一机会,坚持合同或拒绝。 ”

Which sounds a lot like a Yes/No button on a Terms of Service agreement.这听起来很像是/否按钮上的服务条款的协议。 Indeed, the court finds a precedent under California law that says,事实上,法院认定了一个先例根据加州法律称,

“An arbitration agreement that is an essential part of a ‘take it or leave it’ employment condition, without more, is procedurally unconscionable.” “仲裁协议,这是一个重要组成部分的'要么接受,要么放弃它的就业条件,没有更多的,是在程序上不合理。 ”

What’s more, the arbitration clause was, to use the court’s language, “buried” in the middle of a long paragraph way down in the TOS, and didn’t have its own heading.更重要的是,仲裁条款,利用法院的语言, “埋葬”中第一个长期下跌的方式在服务条款,并没有自己的标题。

Even then, though, there’s the additional hoop of whether the nature of the arbitration clause is also unfair.即使这样,不过,还有额外的铁环是否性质的仲裁条款也是不公平的。 In California, the standard is that the clause has to be somewhat bilateral.在加利福尼亚州的标准是,该条款已经有点双边。 Forcing the weaker party to arbitration, but letting the stronger party pick the venue, for example, is not considered bilateral.强迫较弱的一方进行仲裁,但让加强党的地点选择,例如,不考虑双边的。 There’s the question of costs of arbitration and how they get split up, there’s the question of whether one party can force the proceedings to be confidential, etc. I won’t bother going into all that.有问题的仲裁费用以及他们如何获得分裂,有问题的一方是否可以生效的法律程序予以保密,等我不会打扰进入了这一切。

What it boils down to, though, is that the court is saying that some pretty common elements of TOS agreements may be considered unfair by law — and in this case, the fact that Linden deals in real money makes this point especially acute.它归结为的是,法院说,一些漂亮的共同要素的服务条款的协议可被视为不公平的法律-在这种情况下,这一事实林登交易真正的金钱使这一点尤为严重。 Ironically, the fact that Bragg is a lawyer himself actually hurts his case (since it can be deduced that he of all people should have been able to parse the TOS before agreeing to it).具有讽刺意味的是,布拉格是律师本人实际伤害他的案件(因为它可以推断出,他的所有人民应该能够解析服务条款之前,它同意) 。

Now, of course virtual world operators want to work towards minimizing exploits — and there seemed to be agreement a year ago, when this case was first filed, that Bragg was indeed exploiting a bug in some way (though my memory is hazy, I admit).现在,当然,虚拟世界运营商要努力争取最大限度地利用-并似乎有协议一年前,当时这种情况下首次提出,即布拉格确实是利用了一个错误以某种方式(尽管我的记忆是朦胧的,我承认) 。 This ruling seems to, if not remove a tool from the VW operator’s arsenal, at the very least set some boundaries on its use.这一判决看来,如果不删除工具,大众运营商的核武库,至少设置一些边界上使用。

As more worlds start allowing virtual commerce, these issues are sure to come up again and again.随着越来越多的世界开始允许虚拟商业,这些问题是一定要来一次又一次。 Bottom line on this one seems to be “when you ban a bug exploiter, do you refund their cash?” And how much, the original amount or the ill-gotten gains?底线对这个似乎是“当你禁止剥削的错误,你退还其现金? ”多少钱,原来的数额或不义之财? And is it ill-gotten if it’s an exploit, and not a bug?它是不义之财,如果这是一个漏洞,而不是一个错误? (Exploit being defined as a design/software oversight, as opposed to error in implementation). (漏洞被界定为一个设计/软件的监督,而不是错误的执行) 。

Lots of questions.很多问题。 I feel sorry for the courts who are about to get a crash course in virtuality.我觉得对不起谁,法院即将获得速成班在虚拟。 : )

Edit: more comments at The Forge . 编辑:更多的评论在锻造

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  1. csven said on csven说,

    He exploits some software flaw to get a parcel of land on the cheap.他利用一些软件漏洞获得一块土地的便宜。

    iirc, this wasn’ta software flaw as in the SL client, but a simple cut ‘n paste to a url on a website. iirc ,这不是软件的漏洞在客户端的可溶性L ,但一个简单的削减'东经粘贴到URL的网站上。

    ( Now to sit back and continue watching this travel through the blogosphere. Fun day. )立即坐下来继续观看穿过博客。娱乐一天。

  2. Steven "PlayNoEvil" Davis said on 史蒂芬“ PlayNoEvil ”戴维斯说, 月31日

    Csven is correct. Csven是正确的。 Basically, Linden Lab had not-yet-available plots of land for auction available via the auction interface if you manually entered the URL.基本上,林登实验室还没有尚未使用的土地拍卖,可以通过拍卖的界面,如果您手动输入网址。

    So, the Land was effectively, available, just not publicized.因此,土地有效,可用,只是没有宣传。

    Also, Linden Lab processed the transaction (and then revoked it).此外,林登实验室的交易处理(然后取消它) 。

    If your world is going to be about “making money” - it is kind of hard to defend sloppy implementations.如果您的世界将是对“赚钱” -这是一种硬保卫草率实施。

    … if you are going to do virtual / real commerce, you had better make sure you don’t have exploits. ...如果你要做的虚拟/真实商业,你最好确保你没有漏洞。

    As an aside, as a general user of software, I am glad there is some push back on these increasingly ridiculous TOS “agreements”.顺便说一句,作为一个普通用户的软件,我很高兴有一些推迟对这些荒谬的服务条款越来越多“协定” 。

  3. csven said on csven说,

    And after refreshing my memory (with the help of the official forum posts from last year)…后刷新我的记忆(的帮助下,官方论坛的职位从去年) ...

    a) Residents found “to be auctioned” land using the Second Life client (color coded “auction” land shows up on the map)一)居民发现“将拍卖的”土地使用第二人生客户端(彩色编码“拍卖”的土地显示在地图上)

    b) By going to the virtual land in Second Life, people could read the auction number off the land description pop-up window (”About Land”) b )通过将虚拟土地的第二生命,人们可以阅读了拍卖的一些土地描述弹出窗口( “土地” )

    c) Those numbers could be plugged into a typical auction page URL allowing residents to place bids *without* activating a “ $1000″ mechanism on webpage三)这些数字可以插入到一个典型的拍卖网页的网址让居民出价没有* *激活一个“ $ 1000 ”机制的网页

    Here’s what the URL would look like: http://secondlife.com/auctions/detail.php?id=0626198493以下是网址看起来就像: http://secondlife.com/auctions/detail.php?id=0626198493

    People would just replace the numbers.人们刚刚更换号码。 Easy.容易的。

    -

    One could argue that because Linden Lab provided the numbers in this way, they did, in a sense, publicize it.有人可能争辩说,由于林登实验室提供的数字以这种方式,但在某种意义上说,宣传。

  4. Wolfe said on 沃尔夫说,

    Not that SL is a game, but I would look at solving this type of problem by making exploiting part of the game.这并不是说SL系列的比赛,但我要寻找解决这类问题,使利用是比赛的一部分。 Instead of banning players and closing accounts give them ingame punishments such as server transfers to prison.相反的,禁止球员和结算给他们ingame惩罚,如服务器转移到监狱。 I remember UO doing this type of deal ingame for some borderline cases, and I wonder if a player could sue you over it?我记得UO做这种类型的处理ingame一些模棱两可的案件,我不知道,如果一名球员可以告你吗?

  5. PJMRM said on PJMRM说,

    Wolfe, I think you might be on to something.沃尔夫,我想你可能是对的东西。 If the court were to rule against what your saying, then they would have to rule against player death, especially when your death makes you lose something.如果法院裁定对你说,那么他们将不得不规则对球员死亡,尤其是当你的死亡使你失去一些东西。 Where does the court stand on in game governance?哪里的法院站在游戏的治理?

    This could become a very interesting mess in the future.这可能成为一个非常有趣的混乱未来。

  6. chambless said on chambless说,

    Hmm I dunno…I kinda read it like this嗯,我dunno ...我有点看这样的

    Linden Labs: OWN!勿庸置疑:松材线虫! Hey everybody guess what!嘿大家猜测! OWN!自己的! Come spend money at our place cause if ya do, you OWN OWN OWN OWN what you buy!今后花钱的地方在我们的事业,如果雅做,你拥有自行自行自行什么你买! OWN!自己的! It’s yours!这是你的! OWN!自己的! No really!真的没有! OWN!自己的! Come play now!现在来发挥! OWN!自己的! Click the button!按一下按钮! OWN!自己的! Yeah the one that says “I agree”!是那个说: “我同意! ” OWN!自己的! Good!良好的! OWN!自己的! Welcome to your Second Ownership Life!欢迎您的第二所有制生命! OWN!自己的!

    Bragg: OMG really?布拉格:由OMG真的吗? Hell ya.地狱遐。 Property ownership, here I come!财产所有权,在这里我来吧!

    Linden Labs: Hi Mr Bragg..勿庸置疑的:先生,您好布拉格.. let’s just set you up with all your OWNED property here.让我们刚才您与您所有的国有财产在这里。 Okey dokey.燃烧dokey 。 Congratulations!祝贺! All this stuff is YOURS!所有这一切的东西是你的! Now let’s just put the final touches on that..现在,让我们刚刚把最后就这一.. uh..hmm..嗯.. HMM的.. oh wait a minute..噢等一下.. you know what..你知道.. actually, I don’t like what you did there with one of the many things I gave you.实际上,我不喜欢你也有之一的很多事情我给你。 You know what?你知道吗? BANHAMMER! BANHAMMER ! Give me ALL that stuff back!给我所有的东西回来了! Get the hell outta here!获取地狱outta这里!

    Bragg: ZOMGWTFBBQ?!布拉格: ZOMGWTFBBQ ! You can’t do that.你不能这样做。 You said I owned it.你说我拥有它。 If I own it, you can’t just take it from me.如果我自己的,你不能只考虑它从箱。 There’s these things called property laws…有这些东西所谓的知识产权法律...

    Linden Labs: lalalalala.勿庸置疑: lalalalala 。 I can’t hear you.我不能听到你。 Read what our agreement again.阅读我们的协议了。 I can do whatever the hell I want.我能做什么我想地狱。 Take your “laws” and shove it.你的“法律” ,并推它。 Don’t like it?不喜欢? Shouldn’t have clicked Agree.不应该按下同意。 (Hmm.. maybe next update we can add a TOS clause in there to take our customers’ first born children and sell them for profit…) ( Hmm. 。也许下次更新,我们可以添加一个服务条款中有条款考虑我们客户的第一个出生的孩子和他们的销售利润... )

    Bragg: Please help me out, legal system!布拉格:请帮我了,法律制度!

    Court: Y hallo thar!法院:有无你好塔尔! Mr CEO, you said people ‘OWN’ things and Bragg here says you took what he owned which means that you didn’t actually intend him to own it.总裁先生,你说人自己的'东西,布拉格在这里说你了,他拥有这意味着你实际上并没有打算他拥有它。 If that’s true, that’s not very nice and also not very legal.如果这是真的,这不是非常好,也并不十分合法。 Either it’s his stuff or it’s not.它要么是他的东西,或者它不是。 And according to your TOS here, it says that — OH GOOD HOLY J3SUS M0THER OF CHR1ST WHAT THE HELLZ0RS IS THIS THING?!!?并根据您的服务条款在这里,它说, -羟基好圣地J 3SUSM 0THER的C HR1ST什么H ELLZ0RS是这件事? ! ? Ok you know what, this thing is so ridiculously unfair, it reminds me of when Paypal tried to make sure none of its business practices could be successfully challenged by its customers.好吧你知道,这件事是如此可笑不公平的,它让我想起了审判时,贝宝,以确保其任何商业行为可以成功地挑战了其客户。 There’sa word for that in Cali: Illegal.还有一词,在卡利:非法。 And since deception is at issue and public statements by you, CEO, regarding ownership are alleged to be fraudulent, which also happens to be illegal..因为欺骗的问题,并公开声明你,首席执行官,关于所有权的指控是骗人的,这也恰好是非法.. maybe Bragg has a point..也许布拉格有一个点.. let’s find out.让我们找到答案。 -DENIED- -否认,

    Though I’m also not a lawyer so I have no idea wtf really just happened here either.虽然我还没有一名律师,所以我不知道跆拳道真的都发生在这里。 I dunno..余dunno .. kinda sounds like CEO saying one thing and company doing something different.听起来像是有点儿首席执行官说一件事,公司做不同的选择。 That’s not too cool.这不是太酷。 I don’t think there’s such thing as “Indian giver” doctrine in the US legal system.我不认为有这样的东西“印度者”理论在美国的法律制度。 If that’s the kind of stuff they’re doing to big shot lawyers, imagine what they’re doing to everybody else.如果这是什么样的东西,他们正在做的大枪杀律师,想象他们在做什么其他人。

  7. Troon said on 特伦说,

    I despised lawyers!本人鄙视的律师! I have always heard that “a contract is a contract is a contract”.我一直听说, “合同是一个合同是合同” 。 This one will be good … one sleazy laywer vs. a bunch of sleazy lawyers (I am speaking virtually, of course).这将是一个很好的...一个低俗laywer与一群低俗律师(我的发言实际上,当然) 。 Now we have a virtual lawyer (that means he’s not really a lawyer) vs. a virtual world problem (does that means it is not really a problem?).现在我们有一个虚拟的律师(这意味着他不是一个真正的律师)对虚拟世界的问题(并不意味着它是不是一个真正的问题吗? ) 。 The lawyers in real life are bad enough.律师们在现实生活中是够糟的了。 This guy, Bragg, needs to get a real life …..这家伙,布拉格,需要获得一个真正的生命... .. not a Second Life不是第二人生 : )

  8. chambless said on chambless说,

    Troon, let’s be fair now, the lawyer plaintiff disputes Linden Lab’s version of events on how his account was terminated (and I’ve heard the get a real life joke so many times by now already, it hurts).特伦,让我们现在是公平,原告律师争端林登实验室版本的事件对他的帐户被终止(我听说获得现实生活中的笑话过很多次,现在已经伤害) 。

    But ya know…now that I think about it, maybe Linden Labs really did mean OWN.但是,亚知道...现在,我想它,也许勿庸置疑的确实意思的。 But like: Hahaha you really believe what we said?但是,像这样: Hahaha你真的相信我们说什么? Lawl! Lawl ! BAN!班! 0WN3D! 0WN3D !

  9. Shayde said on Shayde说,

    Software companies have been putting more and more in TOS’s that they had to be advised by their lawyers were shady at best.软件公司已经把更多的服务条款的,他们必须被告知他们的律师们在阴凉的最佳。

    You can’t sign away essential rights.你可以不签署了基本权利。

    Now I know the companies have a lot to protect on their side, but many have became too overzealous.现在我知道公司有很多,以保护他们的球队,但许多人变得太过分。 The industry really needs to examine what is legally fair before they err on the side of the almighty dollar, or they’ll get burned in the end.这个行业确实需要检查什么是法律公正的面前,他们犯错的一方的万能的金钱,否则他们就会燃烧结束。

  10. Makarov said on 马卡罗夫说,

    What it boils down to, though, is that the court is saying that some pretty common elements of TOS agreements may be considered unfair by law它归结为的是,法院说,一些漂亮的共同要素的服务条款的协议可被视为不公平的法律

    There are many contracts, not just software TOS and EULA, where one party decides to put in terms that are well known to be prohibited under law.有许多合同,不只是软件服务条款和最终用户许可协议,如果一方决定在条件是众所周知的是法律所禁止的。 In almost all cases, employers, landlords, you name it, choose language specifically so that it encourages the other party not to sue them.在几乎所有情况下,雇主,房东,你的名字它,选择语言具体,以便它鼓励另一方不起诉他们。 Almost every lease I signed before I bought my first home had provisions that were illegal based on my state’s landlord-tenant law.几乎每一个租赁我签署之前,我买了我的第一家规定,是非法的基础上我州的房东租客法律。 Lawyers aren’t idiots.律师不是白痴。 They will, however, try to get away with stuff, hoping the terms never get reviewed by a judge.他们将然而,试图逃脱的东西,希望的条件从来没有审查由一名法官。

    It’s apparent to me that if Linden really wanted to use arbitration to settle disputes, their attorneys would have worded the provisions to be in compliance with California and federal law.这是明显的,我认为,如果真的想林登利用仲裁来解决争端,他们的律师将行文的规定必须符合加利福尼亚州和联邦法律。

    What’s pleasurable about this decision is that some smart VW operators might go back and revisit their own EULA and TOS, in attempt to make them worth something.什么是快乐的这一决定是,一些聪明的汽车运营商可能回去重新审视自己的最终用户许可协议和服务条款,在试图使它们价值的东西。

  11. Prokofy Neva said on Prokofy涅瓦河上说,

    Regardless of Csven’s nitpicking here on any technical meaning of the word “software flaw” or by implication use of the word “hack” or “exploit,” what Bragg did was indeed *exploit* (or “hack” in an ordinary sense) the system by pasting a URL that forced an auction to go up for $1 instead of $1000 when it hadn’t been set yet by a Linden.无论Csven的挑剔在这里的任何技术一词的含义“软件漏洞”或暗示使用“黑客”或“利用” ,没有什么布拉格确实是利用* * (或“黑客”在一个普通的常识)该系统的粘贴一个URL ,强迫拍卖到了1美元而不是1000美元时,没有尚未确定由林登。 The loophole was quickly closed.这个漏洞被迅速关闭。 Bragg had knowledge of the norms of the auction, which was that sim auctions were always opened at $1000.布拉格有知识的规范拍卖,即拍卖婵总是开幕1000美元。 He took the lot number from inworld, plugged it into a URL, and illicitly cranked up the auction.他的批号从inworld ,插入到一个网址,并非法102-92的拍卖。 It’s like buying electronics in Radio Shack by taking the price off a $1.00 thing and putting it on the $1000 thing and going through the cashier — but then getting caught at the door.这就像在购买电子Radio Shack的,采取的价格了1.00美元的事情,把它1000美元的事情,经历出纳-但后来陷入在门口。 LL then took all his possessions even legally gained when it could reasonably only take the stolen sim.镑接着他的所有财产即使法律上涨时,它可以合理地只被盗心。 That’s the essence of the case.这是本质的案件。 The case also tries to knock down the distinction between the marketing techniques calling the server space “land” you can “own” and the fine print in the TOS saying it is essentially fictional and can be taken you “for any reason or no reason”.此案还试图击倒之间的区别营销技巧要求服务器空间“土地”你可以“自己”和罚款打印服务条款中说,基本上是虚构的,并可以采取的你“以任何理由或没有理由” 。

    I love it that the TOS is declared “unconscionable” and that these games/worlds all got a little bit less oppressive and put on notice with that ruling.我喜欢它的服务条款宣布为“不道德” ,而这些游戏/世界上所有有一点压迫,并通知该裁决。

    I’m not loving it that a bad case might lead to a good law (never happens) — because it means that thugs who steal and fence hot sims and harass a virtual world company in court get to wrest something back from them that they only have due to that virtual world company.我不热爱它,一个坏情况下可能导致一个良好的法律(从未发生) -因为这意味着暴徒谁窃取和围栏热点西姆斯和骚扰一个虚拟世界的公司在法庭上得到夺取回馈他们的,他们只由于有这种虚拟世界的公司。 It means that virtual world companies, like OB/GYNs, will become hugely aware of malpractice suits and become more cautious and expensive.这意味着,虚拟世界的公司,如肥胖/ GYNs ,将成为非常了解渎职西装,变得更为谨慎和昂贵。

  12. Kurt Hunt said on 库尔特亨特说,

    First, I want to clarify one part of the order.首先,我要澄清的一个组成部分秩序。 chambless is exactly right. chambless是完全正确。 One of the things the court focuses on is that Linden/Rosedale seemingly made representations that users own the virtual land they buy.的事情之一,法院的重点是,林登/珀丽似乎提出交涉,用户自己的虚拟土地,他们购买。 The issue isn’t that they claimed users can make money, as you describe, but that they claimed “what you have in Second Life is real and it is yours.” Incidentally, the court’s framing of this issue could wind up being very instructive because they almost seem to be taking virtual property ownership for granted.问题不在于他们声称用户可以赚钱,因为你描述,但他们声称“你在第二人生是真实的,这是你们的。 ”顺便说一句,法院的制定这一问题可能会被非常有启发性,因为他们几乎似乎是采取虚拟财产所有权是理所当然的。

    Second, and related to that last point, I was surprised not to see more about the virtual property discussions in this order.第二,有关最后一点,我很吃惊不希望看到更多关于虚拟财产的讨论在这一秩序。 The court is pretty transparently confused about the differences between copyright rights and virtual property rights — it even goes so far as to say Linden recognized property rights in virtual land, when in fact the ToS do exactly the opposite.该法院是相当透明的困惑之间的差异版权和虚拟财产的权利-甚至竟然说林登承认知识产权在虚拟的土地,而事实上,这样的类型正好相反。

    I wrote more about this on my blog .我写更多关于这个问题我的博客 I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.我很想听听你的想法。

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