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> <channel><title>Comments on: The EVE upset</title> <atom:link href="http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/</link> <description>Raph Koster&#039;s personal website: MMOs, gaming, writing, art, music, books</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:02:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: &#8220;Why Does Yukon Sam Hate PvP?&#8221; &#171; Yukonology</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-2/#comment-148321</link> <dc:creator>&#8220;Why Does Yukon Sam Hate PvP?&#8221; &#171; Yukonology</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:24:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-148321</guid> <description>[...] of Ultima Online, I&#8217;ve been engaged in a variety of discussions regarding PvP (such as this exchange on Raph Koster&#8217;s blog last February). And as a result of my various postings, some people have [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] of Ultima Online, I&#8217;ve been engaged in a variety of discussions regarding PvP (such as this exchange on Raph Koster&#8217;s blog last February). And as a result of my various postings, some people have [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: On the Newbie Experience of Eve Online - Thou Shalt Check for Null Pointers</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-2/#comment-148308</link> <dc:creator>On the Newbie Experience of Eve Online - Thou Shalt Check for Null Pointers</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:16:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-148308</guid> <description>[...] months and months of reading blog posts and listening to thread after thread&#160;about Eve Online, I decided to break down and download the game to see what it is [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] months and months of reading blog posts and listening to thread after thread&nbsp;about Eve Online, I decided to break down and download the game to see what it is [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Game Tycoon&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Articles of Interest</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-2/#comment-145438</link> <dc:creator>Game Tycoon&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Articles of Interest</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:08:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-145438</guid> <description>[...] reports on an absolutely wonderful story out of Eve Online. Quick summary: Eve has been dominated by a huge player alliance for a while now. A single [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] reports on an absolutely wonderful story out of Eve Online. Quick summary: Eve has been dominated by a huge player alliance for a while now. A single [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A Spine of Trust - Push cx</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-1/#comment-145135</link> <dc:creator>A Spine of Trust - Push cx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:44:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-145135</guid> <description>[...] Koster nailed why this keeps happening in [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] Koster nailed why this keeps happening in [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Chui</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-1/#comment-145021</link> <dc:creator>Michael Chui</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:44:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-145021</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;- The autopilot will happily route you through “low-sec” space (non-guard zones). If you run missions or just like to explore, this can happen quite frequently. See above; I’ve only been attacked once thus far by a solo gate-camper. I’m advised that this risk can be minimized by forgoing the autopilot and navigating manually.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
FYI, when I was playing, the autopilot could be configured with various settings including &quot;Don&#039;t go through places with a low sec, don&#039;t go through places where recent bad things have happened&quot; and so on. I&#039;d be shocked if it got taken out.
&lt;blockquote&gt;But… somewhere in the back of my mind is an essay brewing about the differing impacts of structured vs. unstructured conflict on the development of virtual societies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Share when it&#039;s ready, yo. :) I want to hear this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>- The autopilot will happily route you through “low-sec” space (non-guard zones). If you run missions or just like to explore, this can happen quite frequently. See above; I’ve only been attacked once thus far by a solo gate-camper. I’m advised that this risk can be minimized by forgoing the autopilot and navigating manually.</p></blockquote><p>FYI, when I was playing, the autopilot could be configured with various settings including &#8220;Don&#8217;t go through places with a low sec, don&#8217;t go through places where recent bad things have happened&#8221; and so on. I&#8217;d be shocked if it got taken out.</p><blockquote><p>But… somewhere in the back of my mind is an essay brewing about the differing impacts of structured vs. unstructured conflict on the development of virtual societies.</p></blockquote><p>Share when it&#8217;s ready, yo. <img
src='http://www.raphkoster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I want to hear this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Yukon Sam</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-1/#comment-145013</link> <dc:creator>Yukon Sam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:17:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-145013</guid> <description>While four days in Eve Online does not qualify me as an expert by any means, I do have a few things to report:
- I&#039;ve been attacked only once. The attacker hit me with an impressive alpha strike. Fortunately I had an impressive amount of armor and was able to warp out, singed but intact.
- The autopilot will happily route you through &quot;low-sec&quot; space (non-guard zones). If you run missions or just like to explore, this can happen quite frequently. See above; I&#039;ve only been attacked once thus far by a solo gate-camper. I&#039;m advised that this risk can be minimized by forgoing the autopilot and navigating manually.
- I specced for mining, and have been happily harvesting, manufacturing, and running missions. I&#039;m not compelled to PvP (apart from remaining alert and knowing how and when to run), and the economic game is pretty engaging thus far.
- Despite strong economic and security incentives to group up, the solo path appears to be viable (assuming, once again, you&#039;ve got no issues with running from a fight).
My not-quite-a-week assessment is that there is a resemblence to pre-Trammel UO, but spread out over a much larger area and with finer resolution to the zoning. You&#039;ve got a good degree of control over the degree of risk that you&#039;re comfortable with, and it seems to be well-balanced with the potential rewards. If you don&#039;t mind rabbitting out now and then, and you&#039;re conservative with your ship investments (i.e. don&#039;t fly what you can&#039;t afford to lose), this is not a terribly hostile place to be a carebear.
But... somewhere in the back of my mind is an essay brewing about the differing impacts of structured vs. unstructured conflict on the development of virtual societies. In the meantime, I&#039;m just gonna keep on flying :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While four days in Eve Online does not qualify me as an expert by any means, I do have a few things to report:</p><p>- I&#8217;ve been attacked only once. The attacker hit me with an impressive alpha strike. Fortunately I had an impressive amount of armor and was able to warp out, singed but intact.</p><p>- The autopilot will happily route you through &#8220;low-sec&#8221; space (non-guard zones). If you run missions or just like to explore, this can happen quite frequently. See above; I&#8217;ve only been attacked once thus far by a solo gate-camper. I&#8217;m advised that this risk can be minimized by forgoing the autopilot and navigating manually.</p><p>- I specced for mining, and have been happily harvesting, manufacturing, and running missions. I&#8217;m not compelled to PvP (apart from remaining alert and knowing how and when to run), and the economic game is pretty engaging thus far.</p><p>- Despite strong economic and security incentives to group up, the solo path appears to be viable (assuming, once again, you&#8217;ve got no issues with running from a fight).</p><p>My not-quite-a-week assessment is that there is a resemblence to pre-Trammel UO, but spread out over a much larger area and with finer resolution to the zoning. You&#8217;ve got a good degree of control over the degree of risk that you&#8217;re comfortable with, and it seems to be well-balanced with the potential rewards. If you don&#8217;t mind rabbitting out now and then, and you&#8217;re conservative with your ship investments (i.e. don&#8217;t fly what you can&#8217;t afford to lose), this is not a terribly hostile place to be a carebear.</p><p>But&#8230; somewhere in the back of my mind is an essay brewing about the differing impacts of structured vs. unstructured conflict on the development of virtual societies. In the meantime, I&#8217;m just gonna keep on flying <img
src='http://www.raphkoster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diametrix</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-1/#comment-144985</link> <dc:creator>Diametrix</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:33:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-144985</guid> <description>I have succeeded in recruiting yet another pod pilot. My work here is done.
The rest of you...you know not what you miss!
Yukon, I am Diametrix in EVE. Send me a message and I will assist you greatly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have succeeded in recruiting yet another pod pilot. My work here is done.</p><p>The rest of you&#8230;you know not what you miss!</p><p>Yukon, I am Diametrix in EVE. Send me a message and I will assist you greatly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Yukon Sam</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-1/#comment-144890</link> <dc:creator>Yukon Sam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:52:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-144890</guid> <description>I&#039;ve decided, belatedly, that I shouldn&#039;t comment on Eve Online without ever having played Eve Online.
So... how should I fit out my new Navitas?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve decided, belatedly, that I shouldn&#8217;t comment on Eve Online without ever having played Eve Online.</p><p>So&#8230; how should I fit out my new Navitas?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diametrix</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-1/#comment-144862</link> <dc:creator>Diametrix</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:06:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-144862</guid> <description>I just read this on the website of a well known EVE corporation. I believe it represents the kind of synergy between conflict and community that I attempted to portray in my previous posts.
&quot;Eve Uni Prepares for Influx of New Students
KORSIKI, THE FORGE -- With Eve Online&#039;s latest expansion, Apocrypha, hitting shelves this March, students, teachers and directors alike at Eve University are ramping up their efforts to prepare for the influx of new pilots to hit the space lanes of New Eden. Assisting this push has been two months of peace and prosperity, putting the University in a prime position to deal with the rush.
We asked Kazzym, the Recruiting Manager at Eve University about the upcoming player surge. &quot;Typically we&#039;re dealing with 30 applications a day but with Apocrypha coming out, we&#039;re expecting much more than that. For all those new pilots out there looking to join, come along and join the &quot;Eve University&quot; channel. However if nobody knows about us, and what we do to help new players, many of those pilots will quit in frustration, unable to find help. This is why we’ve been working on advertisements targeted at new pilots into Eve.&quot; The advertisements, which have already hit EON magazine, are expected to hit Eve Online soon.
Chief among the improvements have been a continuing revamp of the mentor system by Mentor Manager Aehara. Applications developed within the University allow students to request mentors catered to their specialisation and playtime, who will guide them, one on one in their first steps into New Eden. Automation and other improvements in request handling have allowed most requests to be processed in less than a day.
For the more advanced, Wolf Vanberg has announced the opening of &quot;Division 6&quot;, Eve Uni&#039;s advanced low sec training program, designed to aid older students in operating in low sec and wormhole space, whilst emphasising self reliance and small gang warfare. Response from the students has been strong and enthusiastic, and it is hoped that Division 6 will prove effective now and long into the future
Perhaps most heart-warming however, has been the support of the New Eden community. Sinqlaison, of Capital Builders Inc. has graciously agreed to donate 1 billion ISK each week, much of it going to fund those who have achieved the position of &quot;Student&quot;, demonstrating that even in New Eden, a world of power struggles and corporate greed, a true spirit of community can be found within its pilots. Within the Uni, newly appointed Loans Officer Calamoures is restarting a loans program sponsored by an industrial corp, NAGA with the intention to provide students the cash flow needed to get a head start in Eve.
Other help has come from unexpected places. When HPC Larry led his first fleet operation, composed of over 50 ships into the notoriously dangerous system of Rancer, and was involved in a battle with pirates, he was surprised to receive 100 million isk each from two members of the pirate corporation who will remain anonymous to protect their nefarious reputations. One explained that &quot;Our guys were very impressed with the training Eve Uni was giving, and all the Eve Uni guys comported themselves admirably. Would fight again.&quot;
Meanwhile the University&#039;s 5th anniversary is rapidly approaching, and while details are under wraps, the leadership in Eve Uni surely has something special planned.
--Cazzah,
Managing Editor,
Eve University
Eve University is a non profit, neutral corp devoted to teaching new pilots in Eve Online. If you are interested in joining, or just need help and advice, join our channel &quot;Eve University&quot; in game.&quot;&quot;
Eve University is just one of many many player built enterprises that embrace the social growth and benefit that can be achieved in EVE Online.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this on the website of a well known EVE corporation. I believe it represents the kind of synergy between conflict and community that I attempted to portray in my previous posts.</p><p>&#8220;Eve Uni Prepares for Influx of New Students<br
/> KORSIKI, THE FORGE &#8212; With Eve Online&#8217;s latest expansion, Apocrypha, hitting shelves this March, students, teachers and directors alike at Eve University are ramping up their efforts to prepare for the influx of new pilots to hit the space lanes of New Eden. Assisting this push has been two months of peace and prosperity, putting the University in a prime position to deal with the rush.</p><p>We asked Kazzym, the Recruiting Manager at Eve University about the upcoming player surge. &#8220;Typically we&#8217;re dealing with 30 applications a day but with Apocrypha coming out, we&#8217;re expecting much more than that. For all those new pilots out there looking to join, come along and join the &#8220;Eve University&#8221; channel. However if nobody knows about us, and what we do to help new players, many of those pilots will quit in frustration, unable to find help. This is why we’ve been working on advertisements targeted at new pilots into Eve.&#8221; The advertisements, which have already hit EON magazine, are expected to hit Eve Online soon.</p><p>Chief among the improvements have been a continuing revamp of the mentor system by Mentor Manager Aehara. Applications developed within the University allow students to request mentors catered to their specialisation and playtime, who will guide them, one on one in their first steps into New Eden. Automation and other improvements in request handling have allowed most requests to be processed in less than a day.</p><p>For the more advanced, Wolf Vanberg has announced the opening of &#8220;Division 6&#8243;, Eve Uni&#8217;s advanced low sec training program, designed to aid older students in operating in low sec and wormhole space, whilst emphasising self reliance and small gang warfare. Response from the students has been strong and enthusiastic, and it is hoped that Division 6 will prove effective now and long into the future</p><p>Perhaps most heart-warming however, has been the support of the New Eden community. Sinqlaison, of Capital Builders Inc. has graciously agreed to donate 1 billion ISK each week, much of it going to fund those who have achieved the position of &#8220;Student&#8221;, demonstrating that even in New Eden, a world of power struggles and corporate greed, a true spirit of community can be found within its pilots. Within the Uni, newly appointed Loans Officer Calamoures is restarting a loans program sponsored by an industrial corp, NAGA with the intention to provide students the cash flow needed to get a head start in Eve.</p><p>Other help has come from unexpected places. When HPC Larry led his first fleet operation, composed of over 50 ships into the notoriously dangerous system of Rancer, and was involved in a battle with pirates, he was surprised to receive 100 million isk each from two members of the pirate corporation who will remain anonymous to protect their nefarious reputations. One explained that &#8220;Our guys were very impressed with the training Eve Uni was giving, and all the Eve Uni guys comported themselves admirably. Would fight again.&#8221;</p><p>Meanwhile the University&#8217;s 5th anniversary is rapidly approaching, and while details are under wraps, the leadership in Eve Uni surely has something special planned.</p><p>&#8211;Cazzah,<br
/> Managing Editor,<br
/> Eve University</p><p>Eve University is a non profit, neutral corp devoted to teaching new pilots in Eve Online. If you are interested in joining, or just need help and advice, join our channel &#8220;Eve University&#8221; in game.&#8221;"</p><p> Eve University is just one of many many player built enterprises that embrace the social growth and benefit that can be achieved in EVE Online.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DarkVeng</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/02/11/the-eve-upset/comment-page-1/#comment-144852</link> <dc:creator>DarkVeng</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:34:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=2517#comment-144852</guid> <description>Whether this defeat of BoB is ultimately good for the game or not can be debated, and in this sense I agree with Raph. If the Patriots went undefeated for the next 10 years, and blew out every team they faced, nobody would care about the NFL anymore. Having the top spot being contested is a good thing, even if it won&#039;t last beyond the short-term.
On the other hand, I think there is a very strong point to be made about the means by which this took place. Basically, this is the equivalent of convincing a rival WoW guild officer to /gkick the roster and loot the guild bank dry. Or to stick with the football analogy, it&#039;d be like bribing Pat&#039;s owner Bob Kraft to fire Bill Belichick and cut Tom Brady &amp; Randy Moss.
Is this ultimately a good thing for the game? Probably. Should they change the mechanics of the game so that this cannot happen the same way ever again? Absolutely.
Bring the noise.
Cheers..........</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether this defeat of BoB is ultimately good for the game or not can be debated, and in this sense I agree with Raph. If the Patriots went undefeated for the next 10 years, and blew out every team they faced, nobody would care about the NFL anymore. Having the top spot being contested is a good thing, even if it won&#8217;t last beyond the short-term.</p><p>On the other hand, I think there is a very strong point to be made about the means by which this took place. Basically, this is the equivalent of convincing a rival WoW guild officer to /gkick the roster and loot the guild bank dry. Or to stick with the football analogy, it&#8217;d be like bribing Pat&#8217;s owner Bob Kraft to fire Bill Belichick and cut Tom Brady &amp; Randy Moss.</p><p>Is this ultimately a good thing for the game? Probably. Should they change the mechanics of the game so that this cannot happen the same way ever again? Absolutely.</p><p>Bring the noise.<br
/> Cheers&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
