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> <channel><title>Comments on: VW08: Technical Visionaries Debate the Future</title> <atom:link href="http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/03/vw08-technical-visionaries-debate-the-future/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/03/vw08-technical-visionaries-debate-the-future/</link> <description>Raph Koster&#039;s personal website: MMOs, gaming, writing, art, music, books</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:02:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Amaranthar</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/03/vw08-technical-visionaries-debate-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-141069</link> <dc:creator>Amaranthar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:42:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=1987#comment-141069</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A cheap knock off you may be as good as the real you! (at least as far as some people are concerned :P)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I shudder to think! hehe</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A cheap knock off you may be as good as the real you! (at least as far as some people are concerned <img
src='http://www.raphkoster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p></blockquote><p>I shudder to think! hehe</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eolirin</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/03/vw08-technical-visionaries-debate-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-141065</link> <dc:creator>Eolirin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:24:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=1987#comment-141065</guid> <description>Er, what do you mean by &quot;duped&quot;. If you mean graphically, there&#039;s no way to prevent that, regardless of anything you try to do. 3d art data can be dumped.
If you mean in terms of an in game object, then you&#039;re back into the walled garden paradigm, because the entire network would have to agree as to the methods for determining ownership of the object. Considering how hard it is to get people to agree on, and consistently implement, something as basic as html standards, that&#039;d be a long uphill battle. &gt;&lt;
Then there&#039;s the other issue of items that appear to be identical, being as good as identical. A cheap knock off you may be as good as the real you! (at least as far as some people are concerned :P)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, what do you mean by &#8220;duped&#8221;. If you mean graphically, there&#8217;s no way to prevent that, regardless of anything you try to do. 3d art data can be dumped.</p><p>If you mean in terms of an in game object, then you&#8217;re back into the walled garden paradigm, because the entire network would have to agree as to the methods for determining ownership of the object. Considering how hard it is to get people to agree on, and consistently implement, something as basic as html standards, that&#8217;d be a long uphill battle. &gt;&lt;</p><p>Then there&#8217;s the other issue of items that appear to be identical, being as good as identical. A cheap knock off you may be as good as the real you! (at least as far as some people are concerned <img
src='http://www.raphkoster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Amaranthar</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/03/vw08-technical-visionaries-debate-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-141062</link> <dc:creator>Amaranthar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:47:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=1987#comment-141062</guid> <description>I don&#039;t want to be duped without my consent, mkay?
A 4D ghost plane for items would be an excellent way to stop duping. I can see services being created for this. I wonder why it hasn&#039;t been done yet?
And speaking of 4d, imagine a game world where you can actually go back into the past, and imagine interacting with the past of other players, being run by AI, which then sends some basic info to a memory file of that player in the world&#039;s time banks. Hmm, would AI be another dimension, or even part of the theoretical 5th dimension? (Space-time fabric)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to be duped without my consent, mkay?</p><p>A 4D ghost plane for items would be an excellent way to stop duping. I can see services being created for this. I wonder why it hasn&#8217;t been done yet?</p><p>And speaking of 4d, imagine a game world where you can actually go back into the past, and imagine interacting with the past of other players, being run by AI, which then sends some basic info to a memory file of that player in the world&#8217;s time banks. Hmm, would AI be another dimension, or even part of the theoretical 5th dimension? (Space-time fabric)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: m3mnoch</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/03/vw08-technical-visionaries-debate-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-141058</link> <dc:creator>m3mnoch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:44:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=1987#comment-141058</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Wallet-Gardens&lt;/blockquote&gt;
dude.  if that was a typo, it&#039;s genius.  if that was on purpose, it&#039;s gotta be one of the greatest walled-garden slams in history.
m3mnoch.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Wallet-Gardens</p></blockquote><p>dude.  if that was a typo, it&#8217;s genius.  if that was on purpose, it&#8217;s gotta be one of the greatest walled-garden slams in history.</p><p>m3mnoch.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BadMisterFrosty</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/03/vw08-technical-visionaries-debate-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-141052</link> <dc:creator>BadMisterFrosty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:42:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=1987#comment-141052</guid> <description>To sum them up, what VW 2.0 could be:
— motion tracking, just like in 80ties SF movies about &quot;cyberspace&quot;
— tamagotchi avatars
— moving avatars to other VWs
... sounds familiar.
Some thoughts. Why would I want to wire myself up and have my gestures ported inside a VW? That sounds gimmicky to me, just like mouse gesture plugins you can have for your browsers. Are you doing voice-blogs and do you use skype only? Somehow the impression is made, that written words are there due to technical limitations. If we just could do better right now (but Moore&#039;s Law will help etc.). Chances are that people &lt;strong&gt;actually&lt;/strong&gt; like the advantages of the written word. I think they become more aware of it as they notice that they could already level up to voice chat and they just not doing it, because it sucks most of the time. For example: why was SMS introduce later than voice chat in phones. It&#039;s much slower than speeking something short into a mail box.
They may notice that they don&#039;t want to reveal their true voice in VWs, or they think that their real voice doesn&#039;t match with the image they have from their avatar. Same goes with anything else you carry over from real world. What if people prefer this standard (e.g. voice), while others don&#039;t? Will indivual preferences divide people? Having all those gimmiks running is another type of presence as well. You can go AFK fairly easy and it&#039;s not totally evil per se. Once people are wired up, they may notice that it was actually quite nice to just walk away from the screen.
So when you already know what the next step is: couldn&#039;t you then move on from there and look at it in a kind of dialectic way, how this new (old in this case) stuff creates counter-reaction which are then mixed up to something new?
Regarding Wallet-Gardens. I can&#039;t fight the impression that all the talk about tearing them down actually means merging several Wallet-Gardens to a larger one (and that&#039;s it).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To sum them up, what VW 2.0 could be:<br
/> — motion tracking, just like in 80ties SF movies about &#8220;cyberspace&#8221;<br
/> — tamagotchi avatars<br
/> — moving avatars to other VWs<br
/> &#8230; sounds familiar.</p><p>Some thoughts. Why would I want to wire myself up and have my gestures ported inside a VW? That sounds gimmicky to me, just like mouse gesture plugins you can have for your browsers. Are you doing voice-blogs and do you use skype only? Somehow the impression is made, that written words are there due to technical limitations. If we just could do better right now (but Moore&#8217;s Law will help etc.). Chances are that people <strong>actually</strong> like the advantages of the written word. I think they become more aware of it as they notice that they could already level up to voice chat and they just not doing it, because it sucks most of the time. For example: why was SMS introduce later than voice chat in phones. It&#8217;s much slower than speeking something short into a mail box.</p><p>They may notice that they don&#8217;t want to reveal their true voice in VWs, or they think that their real voice doesn&#8217;t match with the image they have from their avatar. Same goes with anything else you carry over from real world. What if people prefer this standard (e.g. voice), while others don&#8217;t? Will indivual preferences divide people? Having all those gimmiks running is another type of presence as well. You can go AFK fairly easy and it&#8217;s not totally evil per se. Once people are wired up, they may notice that it was actually quite nice to just walk away from the screen.</p><p>So when you already know what the next step is: couldn&#8217;t you then move on from there and look at it in a kind of dialectic way, how this new (old in this case) stuff creates counter-reaction which are then mixed up to something new?</p><p>Regarding Wallet-Gardens. I can&#8217;t fight the impression that all the talk about tearing them down actually means merging several Wallet-Gardens to a larger one (and that&#8217;s it).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Patrick</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/09/03/vw08-technical-visionaries-debate-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-141051</link> <dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/?p=1987#comment-141051</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;thinking ahs been around a new concept, which we call “existence.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ben Goertzel rulez the metaverse.
You should really talk to them about getting Novamente agents into the Metaplace tool suite, if you haven&#039;t already.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>thinking ahs been around a new concept, which we call “existence.”</p></blockquote><p>Ben Goertzel rulez the metaverse.</p><p>You should really talk to them about getting Novamente agents into the Metaplace tool suite, if you haven&#8217;t already.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
