Do it. Please. That would be so awesome. Maybe we can achieve infinite regression and crash the internet.

Open up that YouTube video inside the world being displayed inside SL.

I’d do it myself, but I’m incompetent. And I’m not sure I remembered to install SL on this computer…

Well, I’ll wait until they put it in Facebook, or maybe Second Life. SL kind of has web-on-a-prim now. Hey that would be funny, taking Raph’s worlds and putting them on a prim in Second Life. Then maybe video yourself doing that. Then maybe upload it to YouTube.

soooo…

…you prefer some degree of insulation between yourself and certain behaviors/identities/social or cultural sub-grous, yes? Would you say having a degree of autonomy and ability to pursue interests and topics free from nonconstructive (possibly even distracting) noise agrees with you?

Because that sounds like the foundations of a village.

Grats on the app to all those involved, I’m not a myspacer but I was excited for ya!

I’m just unhappy that Raph didn’t launch this thing on Facebook. Why, I have no idea. Doesn’t Facebook have all those widgety things? Why MySpace when you don’t have a huge commercial thing — yet?

Because MySpace happened to be launching its app widgety thingy, so it was a chance to put ours in the first wave.

What I’m more scared about right now is there is no Sunday poem and Raph hasn’t posted for 3 days.

The poem is written and due to be posted any moment now.

Oh, well, my comment was a bit too compressed for most people.

But, um, no. It’s not class aversion. Because I wouldn’t mind making a MySpace, which is viewed as “uncool” and “amateurish” and “cluttery” filled with cats and tacky music by most arrogant tekkies who hate it (and they’re too cool for Facebook, too, they’ll go on Twitter, Plaxo, LinkedIn, Flickr).

Goth and emo isn’t really a “class”. It’s a culture. It’s a sub-culture that is paid for by parents who can afford to keep their kids in that lifestyle. They aren’t drop-outs from society, they live in suburbia.

Danah can think and say what she likes, and I realize she’s credentialed and does research and beloved by everybody, but I don’t agree with what she says. She *wishes ardently* that class was based on culture. She WANTS class to be built on a social network and social capital principal so that she, as a maven of the new media, can be part of the intellectual elite that controls society by pronouncing on it in this fashion. But class is both more simple and more complex. Only “progressive sociology” pronounces on class as something made up of “power networks”. Traditional economics divides classes by income levels and job title.

Of course, in some ways, the cultural aversions that upper classes have to middle and lower classes are just cultural aversions (they hate Wal-Mart’s or SUVs, let’s say — you can really get the flavour for this by reading “Bobos in Paradise” and “Deer-Hunting with Jesus”) but in other ways, they are directly tied to income (very wealthy people in Silicon valley can hate the Northeast and call it “racist) and also really profound political and religious differences (religion can be political or cultural or both).

The issue with MySpace to me is that you have, as Susan Wu just pointed out, 20 million teenagers. And my impression of MySpace is that you have tons of kids friending each other and friending everybody very promiscously just to show they have friends. So I don’t want 20 million friends because talking with emos and cutters isn’t really intellectually fulfilling for me, and I say this as a person who isn’t insisting on a cultural credential-based conversation. This is an age cohort/demographic thing, not really ‘cultural’ or ‘class’. Hey, I’ve known some emos and cutters, like you wouldn’t believe. I’m just done with that particular period in my life

Ryan snarked at me that SL is filled with goth and emo and cutters and that creeps him so oh gosh we have a case here of hyPROKisy ohnoes. Well, yeah, SL has goths and emos. But you can pick and chose among the clubs, venues, places — you have a kind of marketplace of styles and types and you can select and filter. Outside a welcome area, few people are trying to force-friend you. It’s a world, not a web page. You could have an island not even viewable, or a parcel closed to the public. Actually, I don’t chose to do that — I have open mainland rentals, and trust me, I have emos and cutters and furries and every conceivable creature but they pay me : )
I *chose* to have them, or not (some people close their rentals and have invitation only or gated communities precisely so they don’t have to have furries)

Myspace just doesn’t feel that way to me. I can only report how I feel — I’m just unhappy that Raph didn’t launch this thing on Facebook. Why, I have no idea. Doesn’t Facebook have all those widgety things? Why MySpace when you don’t have a huge commercial thing — yet?

The whole, there are emos and goths and cutters, oh my! thing *is* a class aversion, because, at least in the US, class has vastly more to do with sub-culture than money earned.

See this for further reference: http://www.danah.org/papers/essays/ClassDivisions.html

To grab just the most relevant bit: “Class divisions in the United States have more to do with social networks (the real ones, not FB/MS), social capital, cultural capital, and attitudes than income.”

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