Comments on: Metaverse U: Metaverse 2.0, Tony Parisi http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/ Raph Koster's personal website: MMOs, gaming, writing, art, music, books Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:02:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Virtual Worlds for Business - IBM creates OpenSIM Data Center « Samurai Picklehttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134589 Virtual Worlds for Business - IBM creates OpenSIM Data Center « Samurai Pickle Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:16:09 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134589 [...] a very long way to go, and some very thorny issues to resolve.  Fortunately, people much smarter than me are working hard on such issues.  There are likely to be any number of stumbling blocks along [...]

[...] a very long way to go, and some very thorny issues to resolve.  Fortunately, people much smarter than me are working hard on such issues.  There are likely to be any number of stumbling blocks along [...]

]]> By: Virtual Worlds for Business - IBM creates OpenSIM Data Center at Daikon Forgehttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134588 Virtual Worlds for Business - IBM creates OpenSIM Data Center at Daikon Forge Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:15:33 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134588 [...] a very long way to go, and some very thorny issues to resolve.  Fortunately, people much smarter than me are working hard on such issues.  There are likely to be any number of stumbling blocks along [...]

[...] a very long way to go, and some very thorny issues to resolve.  Fortunately, people much smarter than me are working hard on such issues.  There are likely to be any number of stumbling blocks along [...]

]]> By: Out to Pasture » Blog Archive » Metaverse Roadmap noteshttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134482 Out to Pasture » Blog Archive » Metaverse Roadmap notes Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:25:11 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134482 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Raph Koster’s notes from future of work talk and Tony Parisi’s talk [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%-->

[...] Raph Koster’s notes from future of work talk and Tony Parisi’s talk [...]

]]> By: Blog posts - Metaverse U Wikihttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134456 Blog posts - Metaverse U Wiki Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:04:43 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134456 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] On the Go Metaverse U is Happening Raph Koster's website Dimitri Williams' research on MMO Metaverse 2.0: Tony Parisi Virtual Worlds and the future of Work Metaverse Roadmap at Stanford University Second Thoughts [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%-->

[...] On the Go Metaverse U is Happening Raph Koster’s website Dimitri Williams’ research on MMO Metaverse 2.0: Tony Parisi Virtual Worlds and the future of Work Metaverse Roadmap at Stanford University Second Thoughts [...]

]]> By: MetaverseU round up | Digadohttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134383 MetaverseU round up | Digado Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:25:38 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134383 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Metaverse U: Metaverse 2.0, Tony Parisi [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%-->

[...] Metaverse U: Metaverse 2.0, Tony Parisi [...]

]]> By: guyalhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134365 guyal Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:28:07 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134365 I'm just trying to figure out why I agree with Michael Chui... Let's see - the term "metaverse" comes from "Snow Crash", so its no surprise that systems that seem "Snow Crash-y" on the surface are hyped as "the metaverse". The Stephenson concept didn't seem philosophically restricted to 3d worlds to me. But, certainly, it and similar books have a strong "3d avatar acting in a virtual 3d space" element, in which that virtual reality was really similiar to our physical 3d world, except it could be warped on command. Ooh, instant, exciting fantasy for most readers. "the metaverse must be a 3d virtual world" is what I'll call the biblical view of the metaverse. Trace it from the literary source to your favorite overt software implementation. I'd like there to be more to the story than "the tablet from the mountain says the metaverse is 3d. End of discussion." If "metaverse" must be limited to 3d, give me a logical reason why, beside, "well, the rest of our days are in 3d, and it would be really cool if we could warp that." It's a limited fantasy. Billions will partake in it, at least from time to time, as it matures in entertainment value (pun, as well as no pun, intended), but its still limited. The reality warping that's taking place via cyberspace outside of virtual 3d spaces is much more profound at this point, IMHO. I’m just trying to figure out why I agree with Michael Chui…

Let’s see – the term “metaverse” comes from “Snow Crash”, so its no surprise that systems that seem “Snow Crash-y” on the surface are hyped as “the metaverse”. The Stephenson concept didn’t seem philosophically restricted to 3d worlds to me. But, certainly, it and similar books have a strong “3d avatar acting in a virtual 3d space” element, in which that virtual reality was really similiar to our physical 3d world, except it could be warped on command. Ooh, instant, exciting fantasy for most readers.

“the metaverse must be a 3d virtual world” is what I’ll call the biblical view of the metaverse. Trace it from the literary source to your favorite overt software implementation. I’d like there to be more to the story than “the tablet from the mountain says the metaverse is 3d. End of discussion.” If “metaverse” must be limited to 3d, give me a logical reason why, beside, “well, the rest of our days are in 3d, and it would be really cool if we could warp that.”

It’s a limited fantasy. Billions will partake in it, at least from time to time, as it matures in entertainment value (pun, as well as no pun, intended), but its still limited. The reality warping that’s taking place via cyberspace outside of virtual 3d spaces is much more profound at this point, IMHO.

]]> By: Dave Rickeyhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134321 Dave Rickey Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:36:37 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134321 Then why called it the "metaverse" and act as if the 3D environments are somehow an especially important part of it? My point is that those people who refer to Second Life as the beginning of the "real" metaverse are LARPing the metaverse, in much the same way that the Star Trek fans, the Goreans, and all the other subcultures in Second Life are engaged in a "virtual LARP". IOW, "metaverse" carries too much baggage, and it's not a useful term used outside of that context. --Dave Then why called it the “metaverse” and act as if the 3D environments are somehow an especially important part of it? My point is that those people who refer to Second Life as the beginning of the “real” metaverse are LARPing the metaverse, in much the same way that the Star Trek fans, the Goreans, and all the other subcultures in Second Life are engaged in a “virtual LARP”.

IOW, “metaverse” carries too much baggage, and it’s not a useful term used outside of that context.

–Dave

]]> By: JuJutsuhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134320 JuJutsu Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:42:58 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134320 <blockquote>People have to stop trying to build the vision of the “metaverse” from the eighties. It’s like trying to build spaceships from a Jules Verne novel or flying cars from a fifties pulp comic book.</blockquote> Well put.

People have to stop trying to build the vision of the “metaverse” from the eighties. It’s like trying to build spaceships from a Jules Verne novel or flying cars from a fifties pulp comic book.

Well put.

]]> By: seanhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134319 sean Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:18:39 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134319 People have to stop trying to build the vision of the "metaverse" from the eighties. It's like trying to build spaceships from a Jules Verne novel or flying cars from a fifties pulp comic book. The web is already here. Embrace it, don't try to build a semantic wall between it and an aging legacy picture of monolithic virtual worlds. People have to stop trying to build the vision of the “metaverse” from the eighties. It’s like trying to build spaceships from a Jules Verne novel or flying cars from a fifties pulp comic book.

The web is already here. Embrace it, don’t try to build a semantic wall between it and an aging legacy picture of monolithic virtual worlds.

]]> By: zarkovhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/comment-page-1/#comment-134309 zarkov Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:17:36 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2008/02/16/metaverse-u-metaverse-20-tony-parisi/#comment-134309 Metaverse have to be in 3D, the rest is plain Cyberspace:) Metaverse have to be in 3D, the rest is plain Cyberspace:)

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