Comments on: N makes it to the closed platforms http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/ Raph Koster's personal website: MMOs, gaming, writing, art, music, books Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:02:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brent the Closet Geekhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-122935 Brent the Closet Geek Mon, 28 May 2007 16:57:19 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/#comment-122935 N may be the thing to actually make me buy a PSP. I've been dying for that game on a handheld since its release. N may be the thing to actually make me buy a PSP. I’ve been dying for that game on a handheld since its release.

]]> By: Ola Fosheim Grøstadhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-122927 Ola Fosheim Grøstad Mon, 28 May 2007 11:30:38 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/#comment-122927 Chocorisu, I suppose you're right. At least for programs that are more GPU than CPU heavy. I am more into dynamic things (real-time synthesis) so I dislike giving up control over memory and execution with no sure way to optimise things if speed is lacking. Chocorisu, I suppose you’re right. At least for programs that are more GPU than CPU heavy. I am more into dynamic things (real-time synthesis) so I dislike giving up control over memory and execution with no sure way to optimise things if speed is lacking.

]]> By: Chocorisuhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-122912 Chocorisu Mon, 28 May 2007 02:47:20 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/#comment-122912 Technically since XNA uses the .NET ecosystem there's no reason why one couldn't use Managed C++ without a huge rewrite. Not that managed C++ is very nice to use, but relatively speaking... Alternatively, how about writing most of the game logic using something like Python and use IronPython as an interpreter? There's little reason to write an entire game in C/C++ these days. Or as Rich said, write the whole thing in C# and use Mono, which is very stable these days. Technically since XNA uses the .NET ecosystem there’s no reason why one couldn’t use Managed C++ without a huge rewrite. Not that managed C++ is very nice to use, but relatively speaking…

Alternatively, how about writing most of the game logic using something like Python and use IronPython as an interpreter? There’s little reason to write an entire game in C/C++ these days.

Or as Rich said, write the whole thing in C# and use Mono, which is very stable these days.

]]> By: Andrewhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-122880 Andrew Sat, 26 May 2007 13:24:28 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/#comment-122880 Getting on to XBLA is a <em>real</em><em> way to return a profit, particularly for indies. If they can afford to pay for development themselves, then they'll gather the majority of the revenue, which for many games will be around $500,000. For the developer. SO if there is an offer, you'd be nuts to pass it up. However, I'm not convinced there is infinite space for indie cross overs either - its very much going to be hit driven like everything else. Getting on to XBLA is a real way to return a profit, particularly for indies. If they can afford to pay for development themselves, then they’ll gather the majority of the revenue, which for many games will be around $500,000. For the developer.

SO if there is an offer, you’d be nuts to pass it up.

However, I’m not convinced there is infinite space for indie cross overs either – its very much going to be hit driven like everything else.

]]> By: Rich Bryanthttp://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-122848 Rich Bryant Fri, 25 May 2007 18:13:15 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/#comment-122848 Well, Mac and linux are both beneficiaries of the Mono project (open-source .NET) which is pretty stable. I've coded server apps on both platforms using it. Well, Mac and linux are both beneficiaries of the Mono project (open-source .NET) which is pretty stable. I’ve coded server apps on both platforms using it.

]]> By: Ola Fosheim Grøstadhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-122833 Ola Fosheim Grøstad Fri, 25 May 2007 12:42:15 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/#comment-122833 Ack... Not even on the puny Wii? Unfortunately, XNA isn't really suitable if it requires C#. I was hoping that indies could develop for win/mac/linux + one console reusing most of their C++ code, without killing themselves or their families. Ack… Not even on the puny Wii? Unfortunately, XNA isn’t really suitable if it requires C#. I was hoping that indies could develop for win/mac/linux + one console reusing most of their C++ code, without killing themselves or their families.

]]> By: Rich Bryanthttp://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-122829 Rich Bryant Fri, 25 May 2007 11:23:57 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/#comment-122829 Networking is not currently possible without very large expense and difficult certification process, but the XBox 360 now supports free homebrew gaming - sharable for a $99 yearly subscription. I doubt if i'm the only one that believes the subscription charge is not likely to be a long-running thing. Anyway. <a href="http://www.xna.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.xna.com/</a> Networking is not currently possible without very large expense and difficult certification process, but the XBox 360 now supports free homebrew gaming – sharable for a $99 yearly subscription. I doubt if i’m the only one that believes the subscription charge is not likely to be a long-running thing.

Anyway. http://www.xna.com/

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]]> By: Ola Fosheim Grøstadhttp://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/comment-page-1/#comment-122827 Ola Fosheim Grøstad Fri, 25 May 2007 10:21:21 +0000 http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/05/24/n-makes-it-to-the-closed-platforms/#comment-122827 Interesting! I don't know much about console deveopment and publishing, but I've heard that the PS3 etc are very expensive to develop for. Which is a shame. Sony customers will loose access to some free MMOs for sure... Are there any consoles indies can develp for without having any major backing? (Requiring an investment of less that $10000.) Is it for instance possible to get a PS3-linux client distributed in a manner which makes it accessible for all PS3 users as a free download? I'm interested in learning about consoles where users can freely establish a network connection to a server without being forced to connect to a commercial hub. (Tell me to shut up, if this is the wrong place to ask ;-) Interesting!

I don’t know much about console deveopment and publishing, but I’ve heard that the PS3 etc are very expensive to develop for. Which is a shame. Sony customers will loose access to some free MMOs for sure… Are there any consoles indies can develp for without having any major backing? (Requiring an investment of less that $10000.) Is it for instance possible to get a PS3-linux client distributed in a manner which makes it accessible for all PS3 users as a free download?

I’m interested in learning about consoles where users can freely establish a network connection to a server without being forced to connect to a commercial hub. (Tell me to shut up, if this is the wrong place to ask ;-)

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