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> <channel><title>Comments on: The tail wags the dog</title> <atom:link href="http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/</link> <description>Raph Koster&#039;s personal website: MMOs, gaming, writing, art, music, books</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:02:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Techzi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sony Marketing the PS3&#8230; in Second Life!</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-118349</link> <dc:creator>Techzi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sony Marketing the PS3&#8230; in Second Life!</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:28:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-118349</guid> <description>[...] for the PS3, and as Raph Koster noted, we&#8217;re in an era where user-created content rules, and the tail wags the dog. What happens next is anyone&#8217;s guess. This is living, all right - in a remarkably topsy turvy [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] for the PS3, and as Raph Koster noted, we&rsquo;re in an era where user-created content rules, and the tail wags the dog. What happens next is anyone&rsquo;s guess. This is living, all right &#8211; in a remarkably topsy turvy [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GigaGamez &#187; Archive Sony Marketing the PS3... in Second Life! &#171;</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-118098</link> <dc:creator>GigaGamez &#187; Archive Sony Marketing the PS3... in Second Life! &#171;</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:07:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-118098</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] for the PS3, and as Raph Koster noted, we&#8217;re in an era where user-created content rules, and the tail wags the dog. What happens next is anyone&#8217;s guess. This is living, all right - in a remarkably topsy turvy [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] for the PS3, and as Raph Koster noted, we&#8217;re in an era where user-created content rules, and the tail wags the dog. What happens next is anyone&#8217;s guess. This is living, all right &#8211; in a remarkably topsy turvy [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GigaGamez &#187; Archive Sony Marketing the PS3... in Second Life! &#171;</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-118045</link> <dc:creator>GigaGamez &#187; Archive Sony Marketing the PS3... in Second Life! &#171;</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:28:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-118045</guid> <description>[...] for the PS3, and as Raph Koster noted, we&#8217;re in an era where user-created content rules, and the tail wags the dog. What happens next is anyone&#8217;s guess. This is living, all right - in a remarkably topsy turvy [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] for the PS3, and as Raph Koster noted, we&#8217;re in an era where user-created content rules, and the tail wags the dog. What happens next is anyone&#8217;s guess. This is living, all right &#8211; in a remarkably topsy turvy [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: csven</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-114503</link> <dc:creator>csven</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-114503</guid> <description>&quot;&lt;em&gt;Nah, he’s not a journalist.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;
Didn&#039;t say he was. Just that he made the same mistake as the journalists he ripped into by not getting the facts straight either. Better to believe he was intoxicated when he stuck his foot in his mouth, otherwise there&#039;s no excuse.
btw, do we have verifiable &quot;adoption&quot; (not subscription) numbers for WoW? Would still like to see those since Shirky kept citing WoW&#039;s &quot;adoption&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<em>Nah, he’s not a journalist.</em>&#8221;</p><p>Didn&#8217;t say he was. Just that he made the same mistake as the journalists he ripped into by not getting the facts straight either. Better to believe he was intoxicated when he stuck his foot in his mouth, otherwise there&#8217;s no excuse.</p><p>btw, do we have verifiable &#8220;adoption&#8221; (not subscription) numbers for WoW? Would still like to see those since Shirky kept citing WoW&#8217;s &#8220;adoption&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lacero</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-114501</link> <dc:creator>Lacero</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:21:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-114501</guid> <description>&quot;Put me on the “this owes a lot more to MySpace, WoW and XBox live” bandwagon.&quot;
Habbo Hotel seems the closest fit to me.  With no scripting or in game modelling app that I&#039;ve seen I&#039;m not sure when anybody has even mentioned SL.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Put me on the “this owes a lot more to MySpace, WoW and XBox live” bandwagon.&#8221;</p><p>Habbo Hotel seems the closest fit to me.  With no scripting or in game modelling app that I&#8217;ve seen I&#8217;m not sure when anybody has even mentioned SL.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Darniaq</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-114493</link> <dc:creator>Darniaq</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:09:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-114493</guid> <description>The challenge with this strategy for them is the PS3 itself. Maybe they think this keynote and these plans will drive up sales, but it&#039;s more a question of price in my mind. To buy the PS3 today (not tomorrow, not when Home comes online, but right now) you REALLY need to be almost all about graphics, which means having already invested in HDTV and probably HD-cable at minimum, maybe wanting to replace your DVD library too. The PS3 is a higher barrier of entry not just because of price.
Now, if Home was coming out for the PS&lt;i&gt;2&lt;/i&gt;, then, whoa. If I recall there are in excess of 60 million of those worldwide. That&#039;s the sort of huge installed base you want when you activate a fundamentally different user experience like Home.
It&#039;s a great idea. It would have helped them last November my opinion. But it&#039;s relevance is tied to more people buying PS3s in my mind.
The other stuff will follow in time (PC integration, MMOs, etc)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The challenge with this strategy for them is the PS3 itself. Maybe they think this keynote and these plans will drive up sales, but it&#8217;s more a question of price in my mind. To buy the PS3 today (not tomorrow, not when Home comes online, but right now) you REALLY need to be almost all about graphics, which means having already invested in HDTV and probably HD-cable at minimum, maybe wanting to replace your DVD library too. The PS3 is a higher barrier of entry not just because of price.</p><p>Now, if Home was coming out for the PS<i>2</i>, then, whoa. If I recall there are in excess of 60 million of those worldwide. That&#8217;s the sort of huge installed base you want when you activate a fundamentally different user experience like Home.</p><p>It&#8217;s a great idea. It would have helped them last November my opinion. But it&#8217;s relevance is tied to more people buying PS3s in my mind.</p><p>The other stuff will follow in time (PC integration, MMOs, etc)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sony's 3D universe: &#34;Home&#34; - Second Citizen Forums</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-114491</link> <dc:creator>Sony's 3D universe: &#34;Home&#34; - Second Citizen Forums</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:10:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-114491</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Koster&#039;s take on this: http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07...-wags-the-dog/   [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] Koster&#8217;s take on this: <a
href="http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07...-wags-the-dog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07&#8230;-wags-the-dog/</a> [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Charles Ellis</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-114490</link> <dc:creator>Charles Ellis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:10:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-114490</guid> <description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How is having a virtual aparment meaningful/useful? Or the other avatar-like movmeent through info-space. (Remember Microsoft Bob? It was about converting the Windows OS into a space… a house.) I can see the “Gee, that’s cool” factor, but not much more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, there are obviously major differences between this and Microsoft Bob. For starters, the goals between those two are entirely different. Microsoft Bob was still an OS, meant to allow you to do computing tasks like run your applications, manage your files, etc.
Playstation Home, on the other hand, is all about hanging out and meeting people. As well, the control mechanism is directly intended for navigating a 3D space with an avatar, so it likely won&#039;t be awkward to control.
It may still turn into a gimmick and people will continue to meet over MySpace or whatever else appears, but I bet that a lot of people who have met over other means would hang out a bit in Playstation Home. As for the virtual apartment, I&#039;m not sure. I do know that even with what little I played of EQ2, I really enjoyed decorating my in-game apartment.
This is kind of what I was hoping for from Microsoft when they were talking up the new Xbox Live before the 360 was released. Perhaps now they&#039;ll feel the need to compete with their own 3D space.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How is having a virtual aparment meaningful/useful? Or the other avatar-like movmeent through info-space. (Remember Microsoft Bob? It was about converting the Windows OS into a space… a house.) I can see the “Gee, that’s cool” factor, but not much more.</p></blockquote><p>Well, there are obviously major differences between this and Microsoft Bob. For starters, the goals between those two are entirely different. Microsoft Bob was still an OS, meant to allow you to do computing tasks like run your applications, manage your files, etc.<br
/> Playstation Home, on the other hand, is all about hanging out and meeting people. As well, the control mechanism is directly intended for navigating a 3D space with an avatar, so it likely won&#8217;t be awkward to control.<br
/> It may still turn into a gimmick and people will continue to meet over MySpace or whatever else appears, but I bet that a lot of people who have met over other means would hang out a bit in Playstation Home. As for the virtual apartment, I&#8217;m not sure. I do know that even with what little I played of EQ2, I really enjoyed decorating my in-game apartment.<br
/> This is kind of what I was hoping for from Microsoft when they were talking up the new Xbox Live before the 360 was released. Perhaps now they&#8217;ll feel the need to compete with their own 3D space.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rich Bryant</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-114484</link> <dc:creator>Rich Bryant</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 10:41:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-114484</guid> <description>&lt;em&gt;They bought Shirky drinks?&lt;/em&gt;
Nah, he&#039;s not a journalist.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>They bought Shirky drinks?</em></p><p>Nah, he&#8217;s not a journalist.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: StGabe</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-114406</link> <dc:creator>StGabe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:58:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2007/03/07/the-tail-wags-the-dog/#comment-114406</guid> <description>Put me on the &quot;this owes a lot more to MySpace, WoW and XBox live&quot; bandwagon.  SL gets trotted out all the time, but more often than not, for all the wrong reasons.  I think it&#039;s just a fun virtual space to talk about and a great spawn of Blog drama but overall it&#039;s still pretty niche and isn&#039;t affecting the market that much. WoW has driven home the value of online, accessible spaces to meet friends.  MySpace has demonstrated just how badly people want attention through customizable, online expressions of self and Live has demonstrated how public sharing of achievements can help sell games with said achievements.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put me on the &#8220;this owes a lot more to MySpace, WoW and XBox live&#8221; bandwagon.  SL gets trotted out all the time, but more often than not, for all the wrong reasons.  I think it&#8217;s just a fun virtual space to talk about and a great spawn of Blog drama but overall it&#8217;s still pretty niche and isn&#8217;t affecting the market that much. WoW has driven home the value of online, accessible spaces to meet friends.  MySpace has demonstrated just how badly people want attention through customizable, online expressions of self and Live has demonstrated how public sharing of achievements can help sell games with said achievements.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
