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isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-130132</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] not sure if you&#039;re lying or if you&#039;re not remembering this correctly. Here&#039;s a link to an article about the study. [raphkoster.com] To [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] not sure if you&#8217;re lying or if you&#8217;re not remembering this correctly. Here&#8217;s a link to an article about the study. [raphkoster.com] To [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Manhunt 2 Banned in UK - rllmukforum.com</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-125538</link> <dc:creator>Manhunt 2 Banned in UK - rllmukforum.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:53:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-125538</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] be interesting to see the breakdown across all the groups and how much of a percentage they make up.This site has a bit more breakdown on the figures suggesting that the overall make up of the gamer [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] be interesting to see the breakdown across all the groups and how much of a percentage they make up.This site has a bit more breakdown on the figures suggesting that the overall make up of the gamer [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Raph&#8217;s Website &#187; NPD offers a new gamer demo study</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-125133</link> <dc:creator>Raph&#8217;s Website &#187; NPD offers a new gamer demo study</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:06:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-125133</guid> <description>[...] blogged about the original pass of this study. Now there&#8217;s an update. It&#8217;s focused on gamers specifically, and it looks like it was a [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div
style="padding:15px; border-left:1px solid #dedede; border-bottom:3px solid #CCEBF7; background-color:#fcfeff"><p>[...] blogged about the original pass of this study. Now there&#8217;s an update. It&#8217;s focused on gamers specifically, and it looks like it was a [...]</p></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Allen CFDT</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-21700</link> <dc:creator>Allen CFDT</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:16:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-21700</guid> <description>Good stuff JD thanks for the clarity on various issues, missed the linky you provided r/t profile and population, so I&#039;ll recant my population crituque. My cranky flippant data troll-self is mostly satisfied, I hereby apoligize for my uncaffinated early morning grumpy posts.
Dave-
Now Dave, I think you just issued me a challenge? :)
And I think I&#039;ll take you up on it.
And here is my rebuttal challenge:
Please list for me all the stakeholders who need data related to video game players/market.
I have a certain predisposition for making things accessable to people who cant &quot;afford&quot; it. I like to think it&#039;ll result in better games.
Signed.
Allen CFDT (aka Cranky Flippant Data Troll)
Web 2.0 Data &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.raphkoster.com/gaming/ageofdinosaurs.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mammals&lt;/a&gt; 4tw!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff JD thanks for the clarity on various issues, missed the linky you provided r/t profile and population, so I&#8217;ll recant my population crituque. My cranky flippant data troll-self is mostly satisfied, I hereby apoligize for my uncaffinated early morning grumpy posts.</p><p>Dave-<br
/> Now Dave, I think you just issued me a challenge? <img
src='http://www.raphkoster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>And I think I&#8217;ll take you up on it.</p><p>And here is my rebuttal challenge:<br
/> Please list for me all the stakeholders who need data related to video game players/market.</p><p>I have a certain predisposition for making things accessable to people who cant &#8220;afford&#8221; it. I like to think it&#8217;ll result in better games.</p><p>Signed.</p><p>Allen CFDT (aka Cranky Flippant Data Troll)</p><p>Web 2.0 Data <a
href="http://www.raphkoster.com/gaming/ageofdinosaurs.shtml" rel="nofollow">Mammals</a> 4tw!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Morgan Ramsay</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-21693</link> <dc:creator>Morgan Ramsay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-21693</guid> <description>Dave Rickey wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If you’re a true indy making a single project because you believe in it you probably can’t afford it, but you don’t need it, either. ... Whether they’re really worth it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t think market research isn&#039;t necessary to any business; although, understanding the state of the market is useful to strategy. There is a problem with market research that isn&#039;t a problem with the research. When businesses become reliant on the research, they tend to respond to market demands, creating a stagnant culture of incrementally innovative competition that is often referred to as being &lt;em&gt;market-driven&lt;/em&gt;. Examples of these incrementalist offerings include Apple&#039;s iPod, Microsoft&#039;s Zune, Nintendo&#039;s Wii, and Sony&#039;s PlayStation Portable &#8212; all of which are convergent devices.
Firms that are &lt;em&gt;market-driving&lt;/em&gt; are interested in offering radical innovations despite the risks inherent to straying from the status quo. The rewards of radical innovation are greater as we&#039;ve seen with such businesses as Amazon.com and FedEx, but larger companies typically cannot afford the risks or the restructuring costs. Most market-driving businesses eventually become market-driven firms to retain their position in the market and to maintain stability, but some companies such as Sony (as a whole) remain consistent as radical innovators focused on growth.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Rickey wrote:</p><blockquote><p>If you’re a true indy making a single project because you believe in it you probably can’t afford it, but you don’t need it, either. &#8230; Whether they’re really worth it?</p></blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t think market research isn&#8217;t necessary to any business; although, understanding the state of the market is useful to strategy. There is a problem with market research that isn&#8217;t a problem with the research. When businesses become reliant on the research, they tend to respond to market demands, creating a stagnant culture of incrementally innovative competition that is often referred to as being <em>market-driven</em>. Examples of these incrementalist offerings include Apple&#8217;s iPod, Microsoft&#8217;s Zune, Nintendo&#8217;s Wii, and Sony&#8217;s PlayStation Portable &mdash; all of which are convergent devices.</p><p>Firms that are <em>market-driving</em> are interested in offering radical innovations despite the risks inherent to straying from the status quo. The rewards of radical innovation are greater as we&#8217;ve seen with such businesses as Amazon.com and FedEx, but larger companies typically cannot afford the risks or the restructuring costs. Most market-driving businesses eventually become market-driven firms to retain their position in the market and to maintain stability, but some companies such as Sony (as a whole) remain consistent as radical innovators focused on growth.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JuJutsu</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-21690</link> <dc:creator>JuJutsu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-21690</guid> <description>Mr. Deitch
&lt;blockquote&gt;NPD expertise in sampling and weighting techniques ensures that return samples are representative and actionable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That takes care of my sampling concerns. Your comments about the cluster analyses takes care of the stability concerns. Thanks for the reply.
Let me know if you need a 57 year old respondent.... ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Deitch</p><blockquote><p>NPD expertise in sampling and weighting techniques ensures that return samples are representative and actionable.</p></blockquote><p>That takes care of my sampling concerns. Your comments about the cluster analyses takes care of the stability concerns. Thanks for the reply.<br
/> Let me know if you need a 57 year old respondent&#8230;. <img
src='http://www.raphkoster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dave Rickey</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-21659</link> <dc:creator>Dave Rickey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:11:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-21659</guid> <description>NPD&#039;s reports carry a high price tag, but once you step beyond the &quot;true indy&quot; level of financing, it&#039;s not a lot of money.  When you&#039;re making multiple titles and considering what strategic positioning you should take, $10K isn&#039;t a lot of money. If you&#039;re a true indy making a single project because you believe in it you probably can&#039;t afford it, but you don&#039;t need it, either.  Reading it probably wouldn&#039;t change your mind about anything.
Whether they&#039;re really worth it?  Even bad numbers can be strategically meaningful, if your competitors are working off of them.  If you&#039;re a statistical wonk and you think you can do better for less money, have at it.
--Dave</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NPD&#8217;s reports carry a high price tag, but once you step beyond the &#8220;true indy&#8221; level of financing, it&#8217;s not a lot of money.  When you&#8217;re making multiple titles and considering what strategic positioning you should take, $10K isn&#8217;t a lot of money. If you&#8217;re a true indy making a single project because you believe in it you probably can&#8217;t afford it, but you don&#8217;t need it, either.  Reading it probably wouldn&#8217;t change your mind about anything.</p><p>Whether they&#8217;re really worth it?  Even bad numbers can be strategically meaningful, if your competitors are working off of them.  If you&#8217;re a statistical wonk and you think you can do better for less money, have at it.</p><p>&#8211;Dave</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JD Deitch</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-21632</link> <dc:creator>JD Deitch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:48:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-21632</guid> <description>Oh, and Allen, we do indeed publish the methodology in the report.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Allen, we do indeed publish the methodology in the report.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JD Deitch</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-21631</link> <dc:creator>JD Deitch</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:46:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-21631</guid> <description>Hi everyone -
A couple of comments...
&lt;strong&gt;Allen -&lt;/strong&gt; Your initial criticism does strike me as being a little bit... well... cranky, to use your own words. ;-) Good luck with your new business.
&lt;strong&gt;JuJutsu -&lt;/strong&gt; Thank you for making some very good points (by the way, nice inferences considering you were working with just the press release). To your points...
&lt;strong&gt;Sampling (this should address StGabe&#039;s question as well)&lt;/strong&gt; - The survey was indeed conducted from our online panel and for this particular study we went out to 6-44 year olds. Demographically speaking the skews should be fairly well taken care of as we project and weight our data to be representative of the population, and we even go so far as to control for the interactions of various demographics that we find to be important to the space. You can find out more about it here (&lt;a href=&quot;http://npd.com/about.consumerpanel.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://npd.com/about.consumerpanel.html&lt;/a&gt;).
&lt;strong&gt;NPD vs Parks Assoc -&lt;/strong&gt; Our studies indeed look at two different groups of people, as you noted. Parks is looking at online PC Gamers. Our segmentation focuses on the universe of console + portable owners. Apples and oranges as it were. Having said this, we&#039;ve also done research recently on online PC gamers and we have seen some similar things in terms of what appears to be an increasing group of casual gamers whose demographics are far more diverse than the typical &#039;hard core gamer&#039; archetype.
&lt;strong&gt;Cluster analysis -&lt;/strong&gt; You are entirely right here as well. Cluster analyses can be unstable, but there are ways of minimizing the instability. When I ran the analysis I did it multiple times with different cluster solutions and different orderings of cases. The solution we report ended up being quite stable in repeated tests, and we&#039;ve actually applied it (via discriminant analysis) to datasets from two other surveys where we&#039;ve asked the identical questions and gotten very solid results both for the new group we&#039;ve applied it to and the control group.
A final note - Without tooting the corporate horn too much, we&#039;ve been covering this particular industry for more than ten years, and the industry pretty much considers us the gold standard in terms of tracking and reporting both retail sales and consumer behavior. A lot of people spent a lot of time on this one. We stand behind the numbers.
- JD</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone -</p><p>A couple of comments&#8230;</p><p><strong>Allen -</strong> Your initial criticism does strike me as being a little bit&#8230; well&#8230; cranky, to use your own words. <img
src='http://www.raphkoster.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Good luck with your new business.</p><p><strong>JuJutsu -</strong> Thank you for making some very good points (by the way, nice inferences considering you were working with just the press release). To your points&#8230;</p><p><strong>Sampling (this should address StGabe&#8217;s question as well)</strong> &#8211; The survey was indeed conducted from our online panel and for this particular study we went out to 6-44 year olds. Demographically speaking the skews should be fairly well taken care of as we project and weight our data to be representative of the population, and we even go so far as to control for the interactions of various demographics that we find to be important to the space. You can find out more about it here (<a
href="http://npd.com/about.consumerpanel.html" rel="nofollow">http://npd.com/about.consumerpanel.html</a>).</p><p><strong>NPD vs Parks Assoc -</strong> Our studies indeed look at two different groups of people, as you noted. Parks is looking at online PC Gamers. Our segmentation focuses on the universe of console + portable owners. Apples and oranges as it were. Having said this, we&#8217;ve also done research recently on online PC gamers and we have seen some similar things in terms of what appears to be an increasing group of casual gamers whose demographics are far more diverse than the typical &#8216;hard core gamer&#8217; archetype.</p><p><strong>Cluster analysis -</strong> You are entirely right here as well. Cluster analyses can be unstable, but there are ways of minimizing the instability. When I ran the analysis I did it multiple times with different cluster solutions and different orderings of cases. The solution we report ended up being quite stable in repeated tests, and we&#8217;ve actually applied it (via discriminant analysis) to datasets from two other surveys where we&#8217;ve asked the identical questions and gotten very solid results both for the new group we&#8217;ve applied it to and the control group.</p><p>A final note &#8211; Without tooting the corporate horn too much, we&#8217;ve been covering this particular industry for more than ten years, and the industry pretty much considers us the gold standard in terms of tracking and reporting both retail sales and consumer behavior. A lot of people spent a lot of time on this one. We stand behind the numbers.</p><p>- JD</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Allen</title><link>http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/comment-page-1/#comment-21612</link> <dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:59:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.raphkoster.com/2006/09/19/npd-market-segmentation-study/#comment-21612</guid> <description>Qualm 3. NPD wants to charge people 5-10k for a report the methodology of which they do not publish. Meaning you can spend 10k and might get your moneys worth or it might be 35 pages of superfluous inaccurate bad analysis. Worse yet is buying a report like this that ends up being full of terminology (analysis/marketing/etc.) but actually says nothing.
PS: Good breakdown Jujutsu</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qualm 3. NPD wants to charge people 5-10k for a report the methodology of which they do not publish. Meaning you can spend 10k and might get your moneys worth or it might be 35 pages of superfluous inaccurate bad analysis. Worse yet is buying a report like this that ends up being full of terminology (analysis/marketing/etc.) but actually says nothing.</p><p>PS: Good breakdown Jujutsu</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
