[...] than fixing the game so that players don't exploit loopholes.I largely agree with his rant, though Raph Koster did make a valid point about the time spent playing and skill — a player doesn't become skilled [...]

[...] of Warcraft Teaches the Wrong Things David Sirlin stepped in it Dave Sirlin rips WoW Learning the right things from people who are afraid we learned the wrong things when they learned [...]

[...] alone. Lots of interesting comments about this in a previous Clickable Culture article and over at Raph’s blog. 1 commentsadd a trackback share via 0 Trackbacks referencing Patronizing the Player [...]

This moron obviously hasn’t played much PvP. PvP takes SKILL. You can’t just run in there, knowing nothing about how to play your class, and expect to get honor. Sure, you get bonus honor for finishing the battelground, but beyond that you get diddly squat. If you don’t know how to properly play your character class and the roll you fill, you’ll spend more time being dead than anything else.

Oh, and if you ask me? TIME = SKILL

Lets ask this guy how much time he spent on Street Fighter. Was he an awesome player right off the bat? No. He spent time on it. He grew in skill. Just like if you spend time on World of Warcraft, your character grows in skill.

The rest has already been said… Meh. People can complain about ANYTHING.

[...] Raph responded to Sirlin’s soapbox with a few short comments of his own. In further reply to Raph, however, Sirlin made these comments which, I think, more concisely and better explain one of the ideas he was getting at: [...]

[...] Dave Sirlin rips WoW [...]

BTW are you familiar with this quirky little game “Runescape?” It is non traditional in it’s business model but the gameplay has sadly become more and more ossified and similar to every other MMORPG.

[...] posts at Broken Toys, Raph Koster’s blog, Acid For Blood) Regurgitated by Tom @ 1:45 pm | Permalink | Filedunder: [...]

[...] Since I’m neither an executive at a large corporation with nothing better to do than post in my blog, nor have I just left my job and have nothing better to do than post in my blog, (just kidding, guys so I’m a bit late to the party. What party? The party bashing on David Sirlin’s recent article on Gamasutra. [...]

[...] Gamasutra is posting the letters they got in response to Dave Sirlin’s Soapbox on WoW. [...]